Originally Posted by Suricruise

How can you say thats False? Because it's not false, and the reason why is the exact thing you posted. They did listen to the gamer's because the gamer's said they would not buy their console if it had these restrictions. They do want to sell their product and make money, so to do so they had to listen to what the people wanted and they made the change.

Well you could say they listened to the gamers and sound all noble, because they care so much about our enjoyment! But that is bullshit, if they were only behind in pre-orders/ sales figures by a little bit, they would keep all the restrictions. It is only because PS4 was winning out 2 to 1 in some retailers that they changed it. If they sold, lets say 5-10% (probably even more) less than PS4 they would still make more money off of the restrictions because of people buying the games new as opposed to used or easily borrowing friends games.

Alternatively, I wish they both had a stance against used games. Being a PC gamer I suppose I can say this a bit easier, but I hate people's ridiculous self-entitlement to used games. When you buy a game you are buying the licence you should really have no right to sell that or trade it in, it hurts the industry just as much as piracy. While yes, game developers need to start putting incentives to bu new, the big two (Sony and Microsoft) need to start making a stance. But it's kind of like politics, nobody is ever going to do the right thing if it pisses most people off, all the competitor has to do is keep it how it is. But again, I'm saying this like either company did anything with the good of the industry on the top of the priority list.

But at the end of the day Microsoft got smart and changed it, hell this whole thing could have been a marketing scheme.

Originally Posted by El_Flaco_Gamer

Well you could say they listened to the gamers and sound all noble, because they care so much about our enjoyment! But that is bullshit, if they were only behind in pre-orders/ sales figures by a little bit, they would keep all the restrictions. It is only because PS4 was winning out 2 to 1 in some retailers that they changed it. If they sold, lets say 5-10% (probably even more) less than PS4 they would still make more money off of the restrictions because of people buying the games new as opposed to used or easily borrowing friends games.

Alternatively, I wish they both had a stance against used games. Being a PC gamer I suppose I can say this a bit easier, but I hate people's ridiculous self-entitlement to used games. When you buy a game you are buying the licence you should really have no right to sell that or trade it in, it hurts the industry just as much as piracy. While yes, game developers need to start putting incentives to bu new, the big two (Sony and Microsoft) need to start making a stance. But it's kind of like politics, nobody is ever going to do the right thing if it pisses most people off, all the competitor has to do is keep it how it is. But again, I'm saying this like either company did anything with the good of the industry on the top of the priority list.

But at the end of the day Microsoft got smart and changed it, hell this whole thing could have been a marketing scheme.

You can say that MS "listened" to gamers but in reality this was in response to the sales of each console. Like Flaco said, if XBox One was dominating in sales and still had these restrictions then there will be no way in hell that MS will change their policies.

Originally Posted by LaVaGoD

I believe they changed it because of the out cry and the fact that PS4 was seeing better sales. The kind of go hand in hand if you think about it. Right now the PS4 looks like the gamers choice as they feel Sony is listening to them (They're not). It's all a perceptions game with these types of things. Gamers want to feel like they have a say and a choice in the matter and right now Sony has that facade. Microsoft had it when they launched the 360 and dominated the PS3.

The restriction on the XBOX One in the end probably would not have been a major blow to the average gamer. I think people wanting to scream for screamings sake. I think Microsoft was trying to protect their studios and the studios of the developers that developed for the XB1. They figured it would be a major blow to Sony if MS could tell developers they would make more money off their games in the developed for the XB1 because people would buy more new over used copies. It back fired on them but I don't think it was as evil as people are trying to make it seem. They just wanted to protect themself and be able to contnue to produce games. There are so many studios folding these days because they can't make back the investment on the development of the games. I would imagine that used game sales probably was a factor in that somehow.

Well I will end my rant because I can go on forever.

And you can't say they made the choice because of sales. That is your opinion. I agree with lava that the sales reflect the state of mind of the gamer (consumer) So all in all they did listen to the gamer's. If it was directly from the out cry or the sales they still listened to the gamer's.

This is worse than politics.